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    ship-building?

    CLEINIAS: There is no fir of any consequence, nor pine, and not much
    cypress; and you will find very little stone-pine or plane-wood, which
    shipwrights always require for the interior of ships.

    ATHENIAN: These are also natural advantages.

    CLEINIAS: Why so?

    ATHENIAN: Because no city ought to be easily able to imitate its enemies
    in what is mischievous.

    CLEINIAS: How does that bear upon any of the matters of which we have been
    speaking?

    ATHENIAN: Remember, my good friend, what I said at first about the Cretan
    laws, that they looked to one thing only, and this, as you both agreed,
    was war; and I replied that such laws, in so far as they tended to promote
    virtue, were good; but in that they regarded a part only, and not the
    whole of virtue, I disapproved of them. And now I hope that you in your
    turn will follow and watch me if I legislate with a view to anything but
    virtue, or with a view to a part of virtue only. For I consider that the
    true lawgiver, like an archer, aims only at that on which some eternal
    beauty is always attending, and dismisses everything else, whether wealth
    or any other benefit, when separated from virtue. I was saying that the
    imitation of enemies was a bad thing; and I was thinking of a case in
    which a maritime people are harassed by enemies, as the Athenians were by
    Minos (I do not speak from any desire to recall past grievances); but he,
    as we know, was a great naval potentate, who compelled the inhabitants of
    Attica to pay him a cruel tribute; and in those days they had no ships of
    war as they now have, nor was the country filled with ship-timber, and
    therefore they could not readily build them. Hence they could not learn
    how to imitate their enemy at sea, and in this way, becoming sailors
    themselves, directly repel their enemies. Better for them to have lost
    many times over the seven youths, than that heavy-armed and stationary
    troops should have been turned into sailors, and accustomed to be often
    leaping on shore, and again to come running back to their ships; or should
    have fancied that there was no disgrace in not awaiting the attack of an

    enemy and dying boldly; and that there were good reasons, and plenty of
    them, for a man throwing away his arms, and betaking himself to flight,--
    which is not dishonourable, as people say, at certain times. This is the
    language of naval warfare, and is anything but worthy of extraordinary
    praise. For we should not teach bad habits, least of all to the best part
    of the citizens. You may learn the evil of such a practice from Homer, by
    whom Odysseus is introduced, rebuking Agamemnon, because he desires to
    draw down the ships to the sea at a time when the Achaeans are hard
    pressed by the Trojans,--he gets angry
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